George Bernard Shaw
Abby Martin is a rising and prominent journalist who works for the popular show, Breaking the Set which is hosted by alternative news conglomerate RT. She routinely covers non-main stream news and events which are not covered by the usual suspects: Fox, CNN, MSNBC or anything that caters to perpetuating the bipartisan divide in the USA via mass media influence.
Abby does much to expose and enlighten the so-called liberty leaning non-partisan demographic within the US but also globally covering political as well as social ills.
She prides herself on her expose’s covering a range of subversive and conspiratorial laden topics ranging from governmental whistle-blowers, financial and corporate Eco-terrorism, the Fukishima media blackout to local police brutality and the ever expanding domestic militarism inherent in the main stream media’s perpetuation of the culture of fear.
Censorship always defeats it own purpose, for it creates in the end the kind of society that is incapable of exercising real discretion.
Henry Steele Commager
It was extremely disheartening to realize that censorship and control also factor into what was considered acceptable norms for discussion, debate or just civil discourse. I am of course referring to the subsequent posts by certain individuals, possible detractors and disnfo agents who happily lambast and accuse anyone raising questions sensitive topics as anti-Semitic. Sensitive topics being a euphemism for controlled discourse and in this particular case, an obvious off limits subject.
At the time of my response to the original post, the comment count was 54. One can clearly see this in the first screenshot displayed above. This was prior to any additional comments which may have been posted afterward. It is important to note, that the post count would only diminish if individual posters decided to either delete their post as well as any subsequent responses, or the administrator of this page decided it was prudent to practice censorship for some nefarious reason. There is no other reason for the post count to decline in number.
A Taboo Subject
It would appear that even in alternative media, certain subject matter is not open to debate even if the discourse itself was conducted in a civil and educated manner. The response by John Kindel is a common disnfo tactic in which you accuse someone of the very thing you yourself are guilty. Propaganda after all works both ways. In this case, this John Kindel character is also appealing to the collective masses for support and verification even though he does nothing to refute the OP’s statement or presented source of evidence.
Notice the accusatory stance taken in order to discredit the OP. Another common tactic by disinfo agents is to belittle or marginalize opposition evidence or sources by making inconclusive or derogatory claims. essentially calling him a conspirator or anti-Semitic to discredit him and his posted articles or evidence. This in turn would prevent others from self-examining those links and drawing their own conclusions based on the evidence or lack of. A disinfo agent will do and say anything t prevent others from thinking for themselves.
In order to do this you must marginalize and ostracize the opposition. Doing this in a public forum helps to dissuade others from developing an unbiased disposition to the topic. The statements speak for themselves. This exchange clearly illustrates the proper manner in dealing with disinfo trolls and agents in an online forum. You must be tactful, patient yet equally resourceful while curtailing emotions when making any claims backed by the evidence at hand. In this case, the notion of John Kindel being an obvious disnfo agent, as evidenced by the users own admission of being associated with ADL. Notice the utterly shameful and ludicrous response of just joining as a reaction to this open discourse. How resourceful and ridiculous.
The final comment by Rich Pea is precisely why alternative news must present an open forum to discuss any topic without fear of censorship or denial of an open discourse and debate. I do not understand such hypocrites who have a narrow focus of critical reasoning which only applies to their version of what is perceived to be the truth. It is precisely these useful idiots that create such intellectual white noise that the actual discovery and revelation of evident facts and the insinuating truth could never be known.
Notice Abby Martin’s response which does nothing to factually address the posted material by the Op. It is simply a threat to refrain from this sacred and untouchable topic which is obviously off limits to her as an employed so-called alternative journalist who is working within the American controlled media establishment. This is no surprise considering she herself is nothing more then a cog in the machine of controlled opposition, presenting safe topics to marginalize dissident and non-partisan sentiment, especially among the disenfranchised libertarian leaning opposition.
This harkens back to Sun Tzu and controlling all sides of opposition. Partisan and non-partisan. In a collectivist society, this is essential to maintaining the current structures and hierarchies of mass control with information dissemination and subversion playing a major role.
Notice the typical cognitive dissonance response by Bruce A Lewis, obviously a skill cultivated by years of indoctrination in the American public school system. He was taught to ignore rather then to openly and objectively debate based on rational facts as opposed to his obvious display of childish emotionalism. Run away and hide would best describe his tactical approach and in so doing, hopes to inspire the other collectivist fanboys of Abby Martin to do the same.
In such a debate, facts need to be posted and linked. Evidence that is acceptable based on sources needs to be addressed and presented.
Opposition to the OP seems to be based primarily on emotional knee jerk responses and peer based programming resulting in disdain to the topic and subject matter. It is as if these detractors purposely will themselves to NOT to question this narrative on all accounts for some unknown reason. This begs the question why such blatant hypocrites would actively engaged in believing the vast majority of other potentially conspiratorial subjects which Abby Martin routinely addresses and features in her show.
What nonsense. Is this some form of mental retardation afflicting whole swaths of Abby Martin viewers who seemingly accept her viewpoints on other serious issues without much critical self analysis or examination. Perhaps they have all fallen in love or lust with the packaging detracting from the logical flaws of the contents and it’s peculiar method of delivery.
Incidentally I decided to make my final comment on this thread addressing this blatant hypocrisy. On the one hand I was not surprised as Abby Martin is an American journalist working within the same corporate owned commercial entities she frequently lambasts – and must adhere to their policies on opposition subject matter. She can rock the boat but not capsize it. The final comments were made in defense of the OP’s right to ask relevant questions regarding a seemingly untouchable subject matter.
What the detractors who tried in vein to suppress do not realize is the the OP does not operate a popular news venue or TV show which has a large base of followers and subscribers. He is asking relevant questions and presenting an opposition viewpoint. This viewpoint is counter to what the status quo establishment accepts. this is something Abby Martin and her viewers should be very familiar with considering her subject matter.
Breaking the Set and Abby Martin as the host proudly advertise being the answer to the so-called controlled bi-partisan media which does little to educate the public. Yet here, on a most controversial subject which she addressed on a public forum, she quickly reverted to the very same controlling tactics used to not only shut down but dissuade others, in turn potentially questioning their own beliefs based on critical thinking and non-collectivism peer pressure.
Is this not what her show aims to ultimately address? Non-conformity in all matters of American controlled bi-partisan influenced, corporate owned media.
The above post was an additional response which I found interesting. It was difficult for detractors to refute considering the comment came from a person who claimed to be Jewish. This makes a powerful statement on it’s own since the issue of collectivist opinion based on race or ethnicity is nullified on the basis of racism or hate claims.
Notice the obvious shift in the argument and presentation of the objection to not only the official narrative but also the call to critical analysis and an objective look at the contrary evidence and arguments. This is credible and the approach is non-confrontational unlike the original detractors who sought to close off and dissuade any further discussion. My statement about refuting and debunking so-called evidence or sources, vehemently addresses this notion.
The following screenshot depicts the original topic posted by Abby Martin which at the time included the thread referenced above. The count at the time was 54 and rising based on the responses being posted in rapid fashion. This was after all a very heated and emotional topic for some. Once the tide of opposition had changed and the responses indicated an interest in an open discourse on the subject – as opposed to what the detractors who advocated self-censorship or marginalizing the OP – the thread in it’s entirety was deleted.
The comment count drastically within 3 hours dropped to 30. The entire thread and all ensuing responses vanished without warning or reason. It was simply deleted by Abby Martin or TPTB on RT/Breaking The Set as damage control and to stymie support for the OP’s stance. It is a shame that a so-called alternative news venue would resort to the very same tactics, that main stream media practices in order to shut down any potential external influence and interest in subversive subject matter.
A double standard perhaps, especially when one will quickly resort to the very same tactics used concerning controversial and untouchable subject matter. In the end, the deletion was a powerful statement indicating how much control the media has over the thought process on the unwashed masses. Disinformation tactics serve to evade and are used universally in all American and even foreign sponsored mass media venues.
Do not be fooled by the presentation and package which is superficial. Do not be even fooled by the subsequent content and manner of presentation or bias. These things can be fabricated to sell the product which is just another form of collectively defining an opinion which has already been fabricated, deemed acceptable and groomed for mass consumption. Even if that market and demographic likes to present itself as the outliers.
The Quest for truth begins here. Listen to everyone, read everything, believe nothing unless you can prove it in your own research.
The essential problem is even so-called alternative media sources are really just controlled opposition or as Noam Chomsky once remarked concerning political and social debates in the US, as being narrowly confined, operating within a safe level of controlled discourse. Since most of the public will inadvertently use mass media as a primary means of education, this becomes an effective manner in which to control the masses as a group collective. Coupled with the marginalization of opposition by the usual shaming and labeling tactics, very little if any truth or open civil debate is experienced within the public sphere.